Some Religions (Germanic) keep +30% Levies when they reform and will only loose it through unyielding. Thread starter Mr. Moonlight; Start date Sep 13, . Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Pagans#Reformation. When the religion is reformed, rulers of the faith may choose to accept or reject the new order of things. This shows another bonus from raiding culture; with the combination of Equality and concubinage, kidnapping male princes also allows for strong claims for heirs on raided lands, and the prestige of having noble male consorts for female rulers. As I try to have everyone with duchy and above titles be of my dynasty I have one save where I have 1000+ opinion just from veneration. For example, players who seek to reduce internal conflicts in their country, but still want to expand their boundaries, could use the following culture/religion/doctrine combination: Altaic culture, Tengri, Peaceful, Stability, Equality, Autonomous. Duke-tier religious heads common for all realms. Pagan Religion Reformation Advice. Large nomadic realms continue to grow in strength as long as the khans continuously increase the number of empty holding slots they control. Rulers lose prestige when at peace for too long. A religion's nature determines its attitude toward warfare and religious conversion. Faith is widespread in earlier starting dates, among the multitude of petty rulers, but is in decline from 1066 onwards. However, you may convert to an organized religion and change the succession law to the more useful (regular) gavelkind. The gavelkind succession law will remain even if you return to an unreformed pagan religion later. This means you may invade territory held by another faith, but still gain the defensive bonus so long as the battle takes place upon land of your faith. The reformed Pagan religions are usually pretty nice. Top tier for me are Catholicism/Fraticelli and the Muslim ones. Intermarry Eastern group, Zoroastrian group. With Monks and Mystics, Zunists characters may join the Hermetic Society. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The last playable Slavic ruler is Chief Testislaw of Dyrmin. Unlocks Raiding if unavailable (e.g. Sons of Ragnarok is combination of two bad doctrines, if we dont pick it, we will still retain ability to have viking trait and coastal county conquest cb, however, we will lose river sailing and prepared invasion ability which we dont need later in game ( and AI can close rivers for us by having enough fort level in river counties). ( But Imperial Succession is nearly same as heir designation so you may want to pick the Religious tax doctrine to get tons of cash. If consorts are available and the Peaceful religion nature and Tribalist traits from Autonomous leadership outweigh the Short Reign penalty (and the player ensures that most vassals are of the player's dynasty), it makes sense to pick Divine Marriage instead of Stability, to get an even higher score from Divine marriages, in situations where inbreeding is already likely. Proselytizing allows for faster conversion and you can also try to convert AI leaders with your court chaplain/diviner (or whatever the position is called). They keep access to county conquests and raids. if you raid a lot + capture bonus from society + capture bonus from the military trait. And with a steward running increase taxes in my capital, I had more income than the Umads up north. The only realm following this faith is the Zunbil Satrapy in western Afghanistan. Also offsets short reign. Is it really cheesy/gamey though? Women can take up to 3 consorts. And you can make a chain of your demesne inside the silk trade route. Concubines not allowed. [1] These are not immediately obvious before reformation, or even immediately upon reformation. Acquiring the faith to begin with requires you to convert religions or use Ruler Designer, and its holy sites are split up between the Italia, Britannia, Spain, Francia, and Maghreb. Monasticism is definitely top tier, as it allows you to make any succession law work the way you want, not to mention the flat learning boost. Youre all but guaranteed the successor you want, and unlike Open succession you dont have to worry about your AI heir doing stupid things when you land them. Meritocracy does have a major downside in that you can only designate your children, making it difficult to get your genius strong nephew on the throne or skip a generation. All rights reserved. You can marry your brothers to other Christians for alliances AND marry your sister for yourself. You are using an out of date browser. Reformation tends to grant benefits of stability and the capacity to declare wars on larger-scale targets that smaller pagan nations couldn't attack, but lose many of the benefits that would help a small pagan nation expand more readily or defend itself from larger targets. Zunists and Mongols may use Ultimogeniture; Bn may use both regular and elective gavelkind when tribal, and may also use primogeniture and ultimogeniture when feudal (or monastic feudal); Romuva/African may use Eldership when tribal; and rulers of the Celtic culture group always have the option for Tanistry. Followers 0. And the Indian religions. Reforming the religion will cause a schism in the pagan faith. The last playable Germanic ruler available is Arnfast of Vsterbotten, who dies in 1309. The other pagan faiths have a duke-level religious leader who becomes a vassal of the reforming ruler, similar to the Orthodox religion's patriarch. This allows defensive pagans to defeat enemy armies twice their size with ease. Uuugghhh. Rulers lose prestige when at peace for too long. If you need Braunschweig to reform the Germanic faith it is best to conquer it in 769, while the Saxons still control it. Tax on subjects of different religious group is allowed. Penalty to moral authority (-15%) and to mission. Need the +3 demense to have enough personal levies and also +15 opinion combined with Augustus trait and Born in the Purple ( another +15 opinion) is pretty OP. With A Crown Of Thorns, You Became My King Forever. Clearly Messalian. Can you achieve fame and fortune for your noble family, or will your names be forgotten to history? They start as feudal, are unable to raid, have lesser chance to convert county religion, do not suffer from increased short reign penalties and may use ultimogeniture succession law instead of gavelkind. With Divine Marriage and Hierocratic leader as a vassal, you can repeatedly divorce and marry the same close relative, each time gaining free money or prestige, and piety. Such penalties usually function to prevent any rival faith from taking their lands in spite of being relatively weak and of a rival faith that normally could be easily holy warred. Partially redundant with Sea-Bound doctrine. The religious head can decide upon death to. Great Holy War against a single disfigured child. Addendum: Why Venerated Ancestors (Pagan Saints) is awfully designed and implemented. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. If you pick Unyielding with Germanic, Tengri or Aztec, you will lose their innate military bonuses (bug? Fleet can navigate through major rivers, but maintenance cost remains full. Tengri, worship of the Sky Father, is the religion of the Steppe and the bulk of its followers are nomads, whose lands stretch from Danube to Mongolia. However, other rulers will have a choice. Those who stick with the old ways are considered heretics by the reformed faith, and may be targeted by holy wars. AI rulers will try to convert their provinces. Defensive attrition is a powerful deterrent in the early game. Romuva does not disappear from the world at any starting date, but will eventually be pushed back by Christians. Have fun dealing with retaining those. Religious tax wouldn't be that high tier for me, I see it as rather pointless. To get Yourself venerated not only You need to give away Your temporal title (if You took it), it also makes You want to take some of the more questionable traits like "Craven" for Unyielding. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. For feudal pagans, reforming makes it possible to raise crown authority to any level. AI rulers only try to convert provinces if zealous. Proselyting - ??? You get a 30+ opinion bonus with the dynasty you venerated. It combines mechanics from Dharmic religions and defensive paganism and offers quite a unique gaming experience. With Holy Fury, the Hellenic and Bn faiths can be reformed. Edit: I have recommended a combination that gives u an ultra stable realm but if you want to expand and get the SPQR achievement, then pick the Unyielding doctrine and Temporal leadership instead. Possibility for a woman to take consorts is disallowed even if other traits should unlock it. Peaceful nature is powerful if you have a huge realm . Pagans are able to hold religious feasts (except Tengri/African). If there is levy size & attack bonus from unreformed religion or morale bonus from Animistic doctrine in first doctrine slot, it is lost. Which religion is best? Ancestor Worship decision available. However, all the random events based on traits (which drop relations by 15 for those without and raise by 15 for those with the trait) are the same, along with the end bonus of 100 piety and prestige and +15 to vassal relations for one year. Independent lieges of this religion can construct, Religion is resistant to proselytizing + Stability, Fleet can navigate through major rivers, but maintenance cost remains full + Stability, Religion is resistant to proselytizing. Doubles the pool for good commanders and councillors and as a bonus you can give consorts to your daughters. Incompatible with Sons Of Ragnarok and Invaders doctrines. "Offensive" pagans get a bonus to their levy size (+30% levy size for Germanic, for example). AI rulers will only convert same-group provinces. 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